Clean, Icelandic fish; to eat or not to eat, that is the question.
In the end the choice is totally yours – do what ever you feel comfortable with. I hope your move goes smoothly.
Now that I have more time:
Something that is true, is truth. Something that is truth, is true. Your brother’s truth, being different than your own truth… that does not make much sense. Either you are right about eating veggies and he is wrong, or he is right and you are wrong. There is not room for two truths, only one. I hope that i have made myself clear on that matter.
As far as this thread goes, I suppose it is a non-issue.
But, I am taking some organic wheat grass juice powder, and some other things of the like.
To be honest, we are moving to Iceland with 8 kids (me being technically one of them), because we know that the Lord wants us to go. it is really, like missionary work. I was actually born there, as well as my older sister. I am almost 18 years old, so it was a while back… But the Lord is calling us, so we are going. It is an impossible task, or so it seems, but it is absolutely amazing, that we are going.
That said, I want to do whatever God wants me to do. I hope that I am not sounding to ‘preachy’ or ‘religious’ here. Honestly, I hate religion.
What I mean, is that if God wants me to be a vegetarian, he will provide a way. Or, he will tell me otherwise.
So, I am not worried. Though it is interesting to hear about fish (good or bad) and such. also, types of vegetarians and such…
One I read the other day, a breatharian (not joking). Someone who believes they can get all the energy they need from the air they breath (they do not eat)
Thank you fee.
God bless you.
I’m so jealous you are going to live there! I was just in Iceland for a month in may. I met many vegans even a raw vegan. I’m not sure how you feel about dumpster diving, but its crazy how much the stores throw away there… like insane. So I would suggest maybe trying that there. I stayed at a house with a bunch of vegan anarchists and everything that was in their fully stocked kitchen came from a dumpster haha even all the produce… Never once did I buy food in Iceland. That should tell you how much they waste there.
“Truth” does not necessarily refer to an undeniable fact, belikeyeshua.
I did not know that, at all….. I have done some dumpster diving myself, in my past… that is neat, though.
Anyhow, I hear that Iceland is becoming more and more healthy… the meats are all organic. They require vaccines (ouch). There are more and more vegetarians there and more and more health food stores than there was when I was 5 years old there, 12 years ago.
Anyhow, we are leaving Boston on the 17th of October. WOW its coming fast.
Interesting ID, I love it!
But thanks for the input… as I said, I feel this is not the place to debate, argue or the like… as I really would rather not anyhow.
belikeyeshua—not so much in agreement about truth, having taken philosophy. there is arguably ONE truth, but human being are only able to imperfectly perceive it (esp. when we try to explain it in language). we perceive the world THROUGH something… sight, smell, our mind…
what we call “truth” is usually a carefully constructed interpretation of reality that we have gathered through the many ways that we interact with the world. my brother thinks he needs to eat meat because he eats meat and he is healthy. i think i don’t need to because i don’t and i am healthy. time will tell… but like i said, there’s much more to health than diet. i think raw food raises our vibrations and makes us happier, healthier, and more in tune with THE TRUTH. BUT when you laugh you raise your vibration, when you sing… he’s a funny guy… maybe watching saturday night live for him is like raw food to me (i don’t really believe that, but…).
my high school history teacher always used to say: “beware of those that claims to have found the truth.”
I agree with you pianissima…. Well said.
Except the last part. I know that I have found the truth. You can beware of me if you want to.
It wasn’t an argument, belikeyeshua. It didn’t seem as though you didn’t understand what peianissima meant by “truth”. It can be used in a relative way, which is what I thought she was doing.
Oops, I made a boo-boo above. I meant “didn’t”.
Yeah, I know.
Things can get that way though, somehow…
I really hate internet communication. Because people never know if I am sarcastic or honest.
If I say “Thanks a lot!” or “I really love you for that” that can be taken either way. Everything is like that.
Anyhow, thanks you all for your ‘fishy’ input on fish
also, it’s important to consider that when it comes to food, there certainly can be more than one “right way” to eat, considering that people’s genetic differences require various dietary adjustments, as well as environmental conditions which do (and should) play a part in the diet of any human being.
God might be speaking to you through me, and he doesn’t want you to eat fish. The oceans are severely depleted of fish and the ecosystems are suffering. I sure hope you don’t want to be part of the problem.
Besides, there’s something wrong anyway if you have to determine which species you can eat and which you can’t based on governmental recommendations concerning concentrations of toxic chemicals, etc.
Concentration of animal protein has been identified as a probably the major cause of the diseases of the Western diet (China Study) and the poor fish certainly don’t want to be eaten. In Genesis, the Lord said “I give you all the plants and seeds of the Earth, for they shall be your food.”
Whether Jesus actually ate fish is up for debate. Everyone knows the loaves and fishes thing, but I don’t believe Jesus is described as actually eating fish, and the loaves and fishes might only be symbolic anyway (why wouldn’t Jesus have created a full-on buffet incorporating a variety of foods to meet all his followers’ nutritional needs?).
Oh, and the Japanese eat fish and look how healthy they are (or their life expectancy)? That is a very illogical and disingenuous argument at best. They are shorter than us and look how healthy they are! They live in another place and look how healthy they are! They eat tofu and look how healthy they are!
I know that’s sarcastic, but look at the logic. How about this? Imagine how healthy they would be if they cut out fish! They might all live 5 years longer! And that could very well be the case.
Anyway, I went to Iceland in 2001 and had no problem eating vegan (I wasn’t raw at the time). Iceland has plenty of sunshine so you’ll have no problems with Vit. D and it’s not that cold so they can grow stuff.
Enjoy and thanks for helping save the planet! Peace.
Well, you can’t fish for vitamin B12 injections, so I’d imagine the Japanese would be dead if they didn’t eat fish. Probably be an empty island right now.
And the Canadian Cancer Society recommends Canadians take 1000 IU of vitamin D every day, and Iceland is at around the same latitude, so I’d assume the same is true for them.
Your options are: Fish, vitamin D supplements, or a tanning booth during the winter.
Actually, the CCS recommends “that Canadian adults consider taking a vitamin D supplement” (emphasis mine) and list the risk factors for Vit. D deficiency, one of which is if you “donâ€™t go outside very much.”
They then state that “a few minutes a day of unprotected sun exposure is usually all that is needed for some people to get enough vitamin D.”
Actually, Vit. D is one of the easiest nutrients to get (a few minutes in the sun each day!) and D deficiency rare. No dead cooked corpses needed.
Not sure about the B12 comment. Doesn’t make sense and seems irrelevant.
97% of Canadians are vitamin D deficient during the winter, according to University of Calgary.
And the B12 comment is quite relevant, considering that we have evidence right on this website that vegans can, and do, get B12 deficiencies: http://www.goneraw.com/forums/being-raw/topics/...
The proof is in the pudding.
this is a little circuitous. mickmaster says they need to go outside. kevlar says they are deficient. yes, so go outside. no, they are deficient. well, not if they went outside. but they are deficient! =)
as for b-12, there’s more than one way to get it. the lower on the food chain you eat the less chance of toxicity. i wouldn’t go eating mercury because it was high in protein, or DDT because it was high in vitamin C. there are other ways.
the choice to eat fish is really a question of conscience and how you feel about bringing something dead into your body. but i’m getting a little tired of people trying to convince each other of what they should eat based on “facts.”
and did we mention this was a vegan site? we have a pretty obvious bias here, which i think should be respected.
I don’t have any problem with people not eating fish for ethical reasons, but the Japanese would probably be dead without raw fish (unless they all took B12).
Gabriel Cousens on B12: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoHIwrvAiLw
And I don’t respect bias anywhere, in any form, especially when it comes to people’s health.
You’d probably have to go outside naked in the middle of the winter, in Iceland, to get the vitamin D you’d need.
And I never encouraged anyone to eat fish. I even listed the other options (vitamin D supplements and/or a tanning booth). I was just giving the facts as I see them.
If you don’t like the facts, maybe you should delete the “B12 – I got tested and am deficient” thread.
And this is not a vegan site (no matter how much you call it that). If it were a vegan site, most of the people here would be vegans, which is not the case. Just ask all the non-vegans to leave, and see how many people you have left.
I haven’t watched TV for 5 years, dodo. You suffered from vitamin B12 deficiency yourself. Are you going to mention that again, or are you just going to let everyone on this website endanger their health?
You can’t blame the factory-farming or overfishing on meat-eaters, any more than you can blame deforestation, GMO crops, or pesticide use on plant eaters. They’re all bad, but we can choose not to support them. I haven’t eaten any factory-farmed or endangered animals since I went raw.
Most everyone here has no problem with me. The only guff I get is from vegans with bad attitudes.
You only need 15 minutes face and arms, neck. It’s easy.
As I mentioned on the B12 thread, many are misdiagnosed, both vegans and non-vegs can have an absorption issue, animals that eat plants don’t have B12 deficiency, I think we over-sterilize our produce too much and wash off the B12 and commercial agriculture depletes the soil.
In this case, I think Dr. Cousens is contributing to the unnecessary hysteria.
We can continue the B12 deal on the B12 thread, but let me just say it’s ridiculous to assume a whole culture wouldn’t be there if they didn’t eat fish. We didn’t evolve eating animals (how did we catch fish for the first 5 million years of evolution before we had spears?).
Wait, who do we blame factory farming and overfishing on then? It’s supply and demand.
I don’t see how Pinky is endangering anyone’s health. I think she knows the B12 thing is overwrought and doesn’t want to contribute to the fear mongering.
We’re all grownups here and the readers can (hopefully) make informed choices and if they don’t they have no one to blame but themselves.
Kevlar you seem to be a meatie apologist, if I can coin a phrase, and this is intended to be a vegan raw forum. Are you a raw fish or meat eater or what’s the deal?
I blame all GMO crops on vegans, because they demand plants to eat.
I’m not a scare monger at all. Were you a scare monger when you brought up your B12 problem, or were you just trying to help people?
About DR Gabriel Cousens (raw vegan guru), if you won’t even listen to your own experts, you are truly f’d in the head.
You’re treating me exactly the way SAD eaters treat vegans, and it’s just sad. I never said there was anything wrong with the way you eat.
Getting angry won’t make you any less crazy.
You feel pity for an animal that would feel no such thing for you.
You accused me of being annoying, well, now I’m being it.
I think that most vegans, being concerned about the implications of their health, choose not to eat GMO food, as well as the environmental implications of an unknown entity.
GMO crops were developed by Monsanto and others under the assumption that they would be frost tolerant and pest resistant, among other things, but they are not all they’re cracked up to be and they are affecting the non-GMO food supply due to cross-pollination (GMO corn has been found in central america hundreds and hundreds of miles from the originating crops).
GMO crops are grown to provide a cheap and plentiful source of corn and soy to feed livestock and for ethanol (another bad idea, but don’t get me started).
I think it’s (to use a 50 cent word i like) disingenuous to assume vegans affect the demand for GMO crops except the less health-conscious ones who eat processed food bars and meat analogues and crap (another word I like) like that for the soy. BUT, the majority of soy is used to for livestock and the majority of corn is for ethanol and corn syrup and a bunch of other crap raw vegans don’t bother with.
What Dr. Cousens didn’t mention (and should because a little vid clip like that taken in isolation doesn’t thoroughly cover the issue) is about the source of food vegans eat and how much more likely B12 deficiency is with processing of food and depleted soils. Or maybe he did mention that and it’s not part of the video…
Who cares whether an animal feels compassion for me or not? Compassion is one of those things that makes us human. Well, most of us.
Well, I think it’s disingenuous to assume that all meat eaters affect the demand for factory-farmed meat. You guys are so dense, you can’t even follow a simple comparison. If you don’t buy factory farmed meat, you can’t affect the demand for it, just like if you don’t buy GMO crops, you can’t affect the demand for those either. They’re both BAD.
Holy sh##, do I have to spell it out.
Yeah, I think I will leave. You guys can celebrate now.